Zornhau ([info]zornhau) wrote,
@ 2008-12-30 00:06:00
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"Plot Driven" is how we genre types are supposed to write, meaning, I suppose, that stuff happens in our stories which is not just an externalisation of the protagonist's inner turmoil. This is traditionally presented in opposition to "Character Driven", where the characters drive the literati-approved plot. 

I'll always argue that this is a false antithesis, since good rip-roaring plots are generally constructed from the actions of battling characters, allowing that some of these characters can be natural or historical forces.  The right characters give you the right plot - which is the basis of Stephen King's approach, by the way.

However, I think when people use these terms in earnest, e.g. in literary submission guidelines, "Plot Driven" really means, "Pulling stuff out of your arse because you think it's cool." Look, the hero has bumped into bandits but a band of marauding goblins eats them all...

If so, then let's start using a new more accurate term: "Drama Driven." This is where arbitrary shit happens because the writers thinks it's dramatic, or will test the characters in some way. I've noticed that stories become Drama Driven most often when the writers have wandered into a genre with which they are not really familiar. Like the bewildered cargo cult islanders creating bamboo radio masts to summon back the good-laden Dakotas, the poor writers assemble elements they think look the part, and - no doubt - dismiss any niggles in the name of character development.

Strangely, the most likely place to encounter a Drama Driven plot is in the output from the good old BBC. (I'm not sure why this should be... perhaps a preponderance of wannabe luvvies and English Lit types in the commissioning department?).

In the lamentable case of the recent "39 Steps" retread, we have:

  • A spy plays the innocent to the extent of putting the mission in danger. ("I love the character development here, man.")
  • An intelligence station comprising of three blokes, none of whom think to muster  up a spare gun when the hero speeds off ahead to tackle the bad guys ("Hey, this is really dramatic. Hero and girl go it alone... We can't give him a gun because, like, she has to be the only one capable of plugging her uncle.")
  • A U-Boat which can only surface for 3 minutes. ("Cool ticking clock, man!")
  • In the pistol fight, the Germans - supposedly professionals - did not behave like men under fire, and did not really hit anything.
  • Germans left for dead with no attempt at clean up, and nobody making sure they are dead. ("Hey, this isn't like Bourne Identity.")
  • Arbitrary and pointless double twist fake tragic romantic ending. WTF was she up to? Where was the operational benefit? ("Good spy thrillers have twists that leave you guessing....")
  • Traitor was obvious, but somehow the pros needed the amateur to set them straight.
And then there's the historicism. One of the few justifications for redoing a classic is to put it more firmly in its historical context, one of the things that made the Fry and Laurie "Jeeves and Wooster" so compelling. In this case, the version achieved a Wikipedia-level accuracy; events leading up to WWI, Suffragettes, casual sexism, and the Empire. However, it utterly failed to achieve past-as-foreign-country.
  • Biplane used to strafe the hero was a late WWI plane, with the capability of shooting through the propeller not available until the war was well underway. For 1900s charm, it should have been some appalling pusher plane, puttering along while somebody blazed away with a rifle.
  • Female lead should have been softly curvy and pale all over, not skinny and tanned (they got this wrong with The Tudors as well, as far as I can gather from the trailers).
  • Hero was too tanned below the neckline. As I understand it, gentlemen do not strip off under the African sun.
  • Female lead  went into hero's room in her pyjamas, but didn't ask if he was shocked until she propositioned him.
  • Her brother seemed unconcerned about her "honour".
It's not that these would have spoiled it for the less informed viewer, rather that they are all missed opportunities. Each represents a moment when the viewer could have glimpsed the temporal gulf between them and the characters.

Ho hum.



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[info]gominokouhai
2008-12-30 02:27 am UTC (link)
> "Plot Driven" is how we genre types are supposed to write

Isn't that bollocks though? If you've got good characters, does it matter if they're in pre-Columbian Mexico or dystopian future London? A story is a story.

> the lamentable case of the recent "39 Steps" retread

Oh, they made that? They scouted my Hotel for some of the scenes. I put them off.

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[info]zibeth
2008-12-30 02:59 am UTC (link)
ah, but how dramatic does it have to be to be drama driven? Were the goblins messy eaters?

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[info]zornhau
2008-12-30 09:50 am UTC (link)
I think it's to do with whether the material follows from the plot underway, or from the story world.

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[info]steel_bonnet
2008-12-30 10:47 am UTC (link)
A Sufragette of a high social class, especially one in Intelligence, would also be very likely trained in Jiu-Jitsu (its acceptance, teaching and popularity in the UK was directly linked with the backlash against domestic abuse and Police brutality against women that went alongside the Suffragette movement)yet there was no use of chop-socky action.

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Really?
[info]zornhau
2008-12-30 03:40 pm UTC (link)
That's very a interesting factoid

Did Jiu-Jitsu survive the War, i.e. did it flourish in the interwar years? Who taught the ladies, and in what circumstances?

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Re: Really?
[info]steel_bonnet
2008-12-30 04:02 pm UTC (link)
A big subject but start here-

http://martialhistory.com/2008/01/jujutsu-suffragettes/

http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/the-bartitsu-legacy/

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[info]calcinations
2008-12-30 11:34 am UTC (link)
And thus you see why I didn't watch it.
By contrast, I watched some of that Sherlock holmes and the case of the silk stocking that was on last night. The scriptwriters had holmes make a number of discoveries and deductions in typical Holmesian fashion, and the background and props looked pretty damn good, albeit with plenty of artificial fog to hide the modern stuff. I thought they managed the historical context rather well, with servants acting like servants, and Earls and whatnot acting like they were in charge of things.

Whereas it sounds like this 39 steps rip off was a few sandwiches short of a picnic. The story contains a dollop of professional versus amateur, the amateur being Hannay of course, and the professionals in the story act like pro's, but hannay, through good luck and native skills and grit manages to overcome them. And the traitor specifically was not obvious, in fact was only uncovered due to one of those typical "twists of fate" or ridiculous good luck, which the genre cultivates. There are no pistol fights, although Hannay is at one point threatened by 2 pros with pistols, and oddly enough, he doesn's dingle handedly overcome them using secret South African kung fun learnt from the Bushemn.

Now, to be fair, there is more than a hint of "drama driven" in the book 39 steps, however that is the nature of the genre, and the drama is woven into the actual story. But yes, the writers of this particular tv thriller obviously had no idea what they were writing about, whereas I think the people who wrote the Holmes thriller clearly did.



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[info]zornhau
2008-12-30 03:39 pm UTC (link)
I had no objection to pepping up the plot. And throwing in the girl was a good idea, because it gave him somebody to talk to.

I do object to them stealing the plot to North by Nortwest (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053125/).

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[info]fechtbuch
2008-12-31 09:44 am UTC (link)
Rupert Penry-jones: "I said I wouldn't do it if the aeroplane wasn't in it! I've always wanted to be chased by a plane like Cary Grant in North by North West".
I really loved the start of it, but by the end it was annoying the hell out of me. It was "Hannay meets Mary Sue" by the end, with RH reduced to sidekick to Super Suffragette Secret Agent Girl. And I agree about those German agents in the gunfight. No sense of tactics at all.

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[info]the_hat
2008-12-31 04:49 pm UTC (link)
I've not read the book, but I seem to recall a girl in the other film adaptations.

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[info]livingarmchair
2008-12-30 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Dr Who is IMHO a prime example these days of "Drama Driven", especially the stuff written by Russell T Davies - the whole episodes seems to exist purely to link dramatic scenes together. I'm quite baffled at how someone who writes so poorly (Plot, dialogue is all terrible.) is lauded as a genius!

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[info]the_hat
2008-12-31 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Not only was the plain an SE.5, the tracks of bullet strikes were side-by-side in the style of an aeroplane that has its armament mounted side-by-side (as in for instance the Camel), rather than over-under like the SE.5. A monoplane would have been far more appropriate and interesting.

I enjoyed it, but it was a load of old cobblers.

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(Anonymous)
2009-01-02 01:10 pm UTC (link)
What annoys me about such 'period pieces' is that it MUST tick the current politically correct agenda and the BBC has fallen so very very far down this route. Not content with simply being a mouthpiece for zaNU-Liebour, it feels the need to laden every single program with bizarre out of place sex equality, multi-culturism, diversity, gender awareness and climate change.
Hidden in programs is social engineering of a frightening level but pitched at an intellectual level of an amoeba to make sure the unwashed 'get it'. I have lost count of the times I has sat down to watch a period piece and had to switch it off within 10 minutes due to feeling I am being simultaneously preached at, spoken down to and insulted due to history being rewritten to suit an agenda. If it wasnt for the legal threat backing up the licence fee, I wouldnt pay this tax on tv/pc ownership.
I no longer watch the bbc with the exception of Have I got News for You which means that the licence fee is NOT 33p a day for my viewing but £140 for some 8 hours which in any ones language is a rip off.

Rabid Hamster ... with a suspended LJ account for some reason! (probably excess ire and frothing at the mouth)

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DOH!
[info]single_point
2009-01-02 01:16 pm UTC (link)
ahh.... my account here is Single_Point NOT rabid hamster (my more normal login ID). I wonder whose account I just managed to get suspended?

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