Zornhau ([info]zornhau) wrote,
@ 2008-04-21 22:36:00
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Kurtzhau! (Fighting within the system)

"Your martial art is all very well, but it's useless against somebody not fighting within the system...(Oof!)"

I've heard it many a time on the reenactment circuit - albiet without the resounding exhalation of breath as 4 ft of steel buries itself in the speaker's chest. It is, of course, bollocks for German Longsword and its cousins.

Granted, some duelling-orientated sword fighting systems may also reflect complex social customs and niceties, but the Medieval martial arts traditions existed and evolved in a brawling free market of ideas. If North Bratislavian Slugfechten got you killed, people would stop learning it.

In fact the truth is quite the opposite of the opening quote: it's a lot easier to fight people who don't know your system.

Generally, when we DDS "Marxbruder" face off, we each know what the other will try to do. I'm thinking: "I'll Zornhau and Take Off," and he's thinking ""He'll Zornhau and Take Off." What you end up with is a lot of smart ass moves, aborted attacks, and techniques jammed at half-cock before they go off.

Until tonight, that is.

The_Hat and I started with edgy tricks and counter-tricks, and collided doing some of the obvious moves. Then something clicked. We clambered to the top of nearly 3-years of study and plunged into an atavistic bath of technique, which is to say that towards the end, we flowed. Nothing was predicable because, at last, there were simply too many choices.

The_Hat fought like a dream, and together we wallowed in ersatz murderous play for what felt like hours, but was mere minutes.

And, the blades didn't dance like in some crap fantasy where each of charactyr namys sports a Y" and the races have a'postrophes. Nor did we probe for openings, see one and go for it - whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Rather, the steel flowed and whirled, like nightmare leaves spiralling through a haunted ruin by the light of forgotten moons.

Oh, I scored a hit with a Kurtzhau. :)



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[info]spacelem
2008-04-22 01:18 am UTC (link)
That picture of the guys on the left is... is... um.

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[info]zornhau
2008-04-22 10:05 am UTC (link)
The picture on the left is from Talhoffer. You can see more here: http://www.schielhau.org/talpoint.html

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[info]henchminion
2008-04-22 06:36 am UTC (link)
Nothing like a bit of murderous brutality to leave you feeling all happy and poetic, eh?

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[info]zornhau
2008-04-22 02:12 pm UTC (link)
But did I mention the Kurtzhau?

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[info]single_point
2008-04-22 09:47 am UTC (link)
had a sort of similar epiphany in one of my beginner guys on sunday. We had drilled for a while and then went to light sparring. all of a sudden from a zornhau/zornhau bind he hit a perfect schnappen ... you could actually see his eyes get big behind the mesh of his mask as he realized what he had just done.
Makes you feel warm inside as a teacher.

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[info]zornhau
2008-04-22 10:04 am UTC (link)
Yeah!

Have you noticed, btw, that things move faster if the feet move *last*. Many of the illustrations imply this - showing half-complete moves with the body twisted.

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[info]single_point
2008-04-22 11:24 am UTC (link)
time of the hand then body then foot!

leave everything stationary and throw a zwerchhau and it drags you round correctly with the step coming last. the old masters knew what they were talking about!

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[info]knightofredempt
2008-04-22 02:09 pm UTC (link)
This is something I drill into my students, timing of sword and body is eveything, If I catch a student moving body first a gentle thrust to the tummy helps to drive the lesson home ;-) congrats on your dream fight it sounds wonderful.

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[info]zornhau
2008-04-22 02:11 pm UTC (link)
It took two to do it! The_Hat has become a formidable sparring partner.

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[info]knightofredempt
2008-04-22 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Then sir I doff my cap to The_hat.

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[info]zornhau
2008-04-22 02:12 pm UTC (link)
They did indeed - sharps concentrate the mind.

The revelation for me, though, is that it's much more exagerated than I thought. It's almost as if you try to complete the blow by just twisting the body and then the step.

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[info]knightofredempt
2008-04-22 02:32 pm UTC (link)
In my training group (we have yet to achieve the status of Chapter) we use wooden wasters, but the chapter that I train with are about to invest in some Del tin's hand and a half's as you say sharps will concentrate the mind. We are also moving on from blunts to sharps for our public displays so that will be fun.

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[info]zornhau
2008-04-22 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Sharps!

Argh!

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[info]knightofredempt
2008-04-22 05:45 pm UTC (link)
Yes not sure if its a wise move but we want to silence the "are those swords real" brigade. and it will also keep us honest and out of bad habits after the 100th time of doing the routine.

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[info]the_hat
2008-04-22 04:58 pm UTC (link)
You're too kind. It was a good fight.

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